2003 Toronto Comic Book Expo

by Jamie Coville

Attendance: 19,000 to 20,000 for all three shows over the 3 days.
Con Unofficial Ratio was 5 males to 1 female. My estimates are day by day within the report.

This con took place on August 22 to 24th. It wasn't just comic books, it was anime and a sci-fi convention as well. This is my 2nd time going to the convention, but unlike last year I went for the whole weekend with my friend Adam.

We arrived around 1:30pm on Friday, the con didn't "start" until 4pm but I was able to go in and get my press pass early. While there I saw David Mack and he was very friendly as usual. I took a whole bunch of pictures of people in costumes while they were standing in line waiting to get their tickets. The pictures can be found here. I notice the line moved quicker than last year. Unfortunately the Advanced Tickets did not. Those people paid extra for their tickets, were promised "no lines" and yet at 4:30 when everybody was getting into the con, they were still stuck in a line up. I was told after the con that the ticket scanning equipment for had problems and after 45 minutes, they got it fixed.

I went upstairs looked at some of the dealers tables, bought some cheap books. Had one dealer try some aggressive selling to try and get me to be his first sale. Someone else bought something from him and then he let off. I talked to Ty Templeton for a bit, someone had him sign a JLA book he did recently and he talked a bit about that. He said because Kevin Knowlen was inking it he only did what he considers layouts. Ty said Kevin has a tendency to redraw everybody's work so he only did basic layouts and would let Kevin go to town on the art. Instead, Kevin treated his work like gold, didn't redraw any of it and inked it as is. Ty was pointing out the difference between how he regularly draws (using Bigg Time) to what was in the JLA book.

Ty was also talking about "Formerly Known as the Justice League" book which is doing well. He said he read four online reviews and they all made the same joke. Wouldn't it be funny if Ty were to finish the series (this because Ty had to finish the first run with those creators). Ty said he was tempted to phone up the editors and ask to draw the last issue just for laughs. He also said come Monday he would pitch a 6 ish Blue and Gold mini as a follow up to it. We'll have to see if anything becomes of that.

One fan asked Ty about breaking into comic books. The guy wanted to write them. Ty told him writing is the hardest area to break into. Editors are contractually not allowed to read written samples, because eventually they will use an idea that is similar to what somebody submitted and then they are on the hook for a lawsuit. Ty said the best way to break in for writing is to work for a smaller publisher (or publish your own stuff) or find work in other mediums. He said Marvel right now was hiring new talent from the Screen Writers Guild.

I also saw David Mack being interviewed on Camera by MTV. I asked him later what it was about and he said they were the same generic comic book type questions. The people doing the interview didn't know when or if it would be aired.

A Marvel "Session" (what HobbyStar calls Panels) started at 6:00pm with Marvel Editor C. B. Cebulski. There he talked about Marvel and did squeal some news and information. Some of this I revealed in last months issue but just in case you missed it, here it is again with some added bits:

  • People who have been getting into Marvel based on "Cold" Convention approaches are Colorists and Inkers.
  • The switch in Silver Surfer's penciler happened because the artist MILX simply disappeared. Did the first issue before deadline then did 4 pages of the 2nd issue, then stopped. They may have found other work but they haven't contact Marvel about it nor have they returned any of Tom Brevoort's calls. MILX was also working for IDW and they have also lost contact with him. Silver Surfer #2 will be pushed back to October #22, the new artist is not yet determined at this writing.
  • Most of the Tsunami line will go at least 12 issues, a couple of them may only go 7 or 8 issues.
  • Marvel is planning an Alpha Flight return in 2004
  • Marvel is unhappy about Kevin Smith's late schedule on his books. A week before the con, Joe Quesada and Kevin Smith had a long talk over his schedule.
  • Some "Ultimate" pencilers are problem pencilers for getting stuff in on time. He mentioned that one penciler who is quite capable of doing an issue a month, but no longer does so. Saying now that he got a big raise in his page rate he no longer needs the money quite so badly so he takes his time.
  • Rich's Rumour Monger Felicia did "nail some things right" when she talked about what was going on at Marvel. Also said some of it she must have assumed and made up.
  • Former editor Ralph Macchio is now the "Continuity Cop" at Marvel but can only give warning and advice. Some editors simply ignore the advice.
  • They are doing a Northwoods Sage and they consider it to be the first "True" Epic title as it's about people on the street.
  • Some editors don't like writers and artists talking to each other. They want control all communications going on between everybody.
Right after this was the Ultimate Spider-Man session where Brian Michael Bendis shows up, this would quickly turn into a Bendis fan fest and Ultimate Spider-Man was barely talked about. This in part because the artists were late showing up. C. B. Cebulski was also there and eventually Humberto Ramos and Francisco Herrera showed up. When they did Bendis joked about them not being able to keep a deadline. But truth be told, they were held up because they were doing sketches for fans.

  • Bendis has lost his voice in Chicago, he was raspy and coughing a lot (poor guy!)
  • Alex Maleev is moving to Portland where Brian Michael Bendis lives. When they return to Daredevil they'll be able to work more closely on the book.
  • Brian Michael Bendis will be creating new villains for Daredevil and Ultimate Spider-Man. I asked him if he would simply create the characters and give them away or negotiate something, Bendis said he would be negotiating something.
  • Bendis talked about how for many years he was just like the guys in Artists alley trying to get peoples attention doing his own book. He both wrote and drew his own book and had just given up drawing when Joe Quesada called him up and said "Brian, your a terrific writer but a terrible artist." Bendis was offered Daredevil on the spot based on his work in JINX. Bendis always thanks Joe for that as Daredevil was already a hot title at the time.
  • When Alias turns into Pulse, it will be taken out of Marvel Knights and be put into Marvel Universe proper. As a result, the swearing and sex will be gone and it will feature more Marvel heroes as guest stars. Jessica Jones will be working with the Daily Bugle and Cage will be a supporting character.
  • Bendis said working on Spider-Man is a honour and he gets much more out of it creatively than he thought he would.
  • Joe Quesada wants Bendis to do a storyline about Spider-Man getting six arms. Bendis said that was only cool for about 10 seconds and doesn't want to do it.
  • Because people keep saying "No Spider-Man Clone Stories" the people at Marvel are tempted to do one, just to see if they could pull off a good clone story. It's like climbing Mount Everest.
  • Originally Bendis didn't want to bring back Venom because his origin was so cosmic. Bendis does better with the street level stories. Jemas wanted Venom back and finally convinced Bendis to it by letting Bendis bring him back whichever way he thought was cool.
  • People asked about what characters they want to do. Bendis says everybody always says Dr. Strange, Moon Knight and others but whenever Marvel finally decides to try them again it always bombs. Bendis does say he wants to do a big "Everybody's In It" epic. Someone in the crowd shouted "Secret Wars!" which Bendis heard but didn't respond to.
  • C. B. Cebulski said sometimes an artist and writer don't click, said the reason Hitch went to Marvel was because he wasn't clicking with Warren Ellis.
  • Bendis said when he first started writing he would do thumbnails for the artists (particularly Alex Maleev). Now he realizes that was a jerkish thing to do and stopped doing it. Says it's something he had to grow on.
  • Adam Kubert and Bendis are doing Ultimate FF, which is coming out in December. They said it's all different and Hitch is doing the first cover and designed the characters.

Over all on Friday I noticed there was a big crowd and much of them female. Friday night was simply the night for many anime fans to show up. I'd say the crowd was roughly 40 female, 60 male.

Saturday:

First thing Saturday I had to buy a new flash card for my camera. I had almost used up my current one with all the costumes on Friday. And Saturday was the costume day! I managed to find a nearby Radio shack with the card I needed. Saturday was way more crowded. Too crowded in my opinion. They need to find a way to make the isle bigger as the end of my nap sack must have hit 200 people this day. A lot of hot people trying to squish by each other all day long. This was the comic book day as today the big stars came out to do signings and so forth. As a result, the male percentage of the crowd went up quite a bit, by my guestimate the crowd was 80/20 male to female ratio.

Deals and so forth:

I bought two DC Archives (Plastic Man and Spirit Vol 2's) for $60 bucks CND. The cover price on them is $76 CND each. Somebody found 2 DC's Superman: Red Son #1 in a bin with a 10 dollar price tag. A dealer bought one, put it on the wall for $35 dollars and sold it that day.

There was a DC Session, from it comes these tidbits.

DC:

  • Leonard Kirk is off JSA with issue #51 but will be coming back to do a fill in #55. In that issue will be a character they've been getting a lot of mail requesting.
  • Leonard says DC "Dumped his ass" and "Rightly so" and he blames himself.
  • JSA/Hawkman will go bi-weekly for a period for a storyline about Black Adam.
  • Leonard Kirk will be penciling a new ongoing that's to come out in May, but he can't say what it is yet.
  • Ed McGuinness says his editor Eddie Berganza gives him a lot of room and that a lot of editors don't do that.
  • On Superman, McGuinness says he was inspired by Siegel and Shuster, the animated Superman and also Alex Ross.
  • A documentary crew in the back asked if movies influenced the comic books. Everybody winced and said the movies didn't really influence them at all. Said the movies have a tough balancing act between making the characters accessible to new audiences and pleasing the hardcore fan. Leonard Kirk is worried that too many comic book movies at once will burn them out. He went on about how he thought the Batman movies were burned out by using too many villains in the same movie. He thinks Two-Face should have been a movie all on it's own.
  • Someone asks how cons affects their schedules, and all agree that cons can really screw up your schedule. Not only is there the con itself taking time away, but preparing for it and winding down after it's done.
  • DC used to have books done 6 months prior to shipping, now they are down to 4 months.
  • The artists all said they know books that were coloured or even penciled 2 weeks before they hit the comic stores.
  • Leonard Kirk believes sometimes companies cut things this close so that if they decide to cancel a series there won't be a number of complete issues already done and ready to ship. They can kill it quick and save their losses.
  • McGuinness said in the 2nd issue of Superman/Batman there will be a big surprise.
  • Somebody in the crowd was asking about bringing back dead characters, particularly Jason Todd in Batman. Leonard Kirk was mad in a funny way, says they should start a class action lawsuit to get their money back from the 80's 1-900 voting poll regarding his death.
  • Ed McGuinness wants to do a Superman-Hulk crossover. He says he figured out a way that Hulk could beat Superman. His theory is as Hulk gets madder and stronger, he also absorbing more gamma radiation. He also says he thinks Gamma Radiation would have a negative effect on Supermans powers, allowing Hulk to beat the tar out of him.
  • David Ross and Leonard Kirk are also working for CrossGen. I asked then how things were going with that because of all the news stories regarding CrossGen's cash flow problems. Leonard Kirk said he *just* started working for them and it the first "pay day" hasn't come yet for him, so everything is going well so far. David Ross said CrossGen has been making partial payment to him and has explained things. He then said we should all support CrossGen as competition is good for the industry. He said too much in the industry we fight over a bigger piece of the pie when we should be focusing on making the pie bigger for everybody.

Next was the Dreamwave Panel.

In this panel Artist Pat Lee talked a long time about himself and what Dreamwave was doing. He regularly said that the teams best artists and best colourists were working on all the upcoming books.

  • They are doing a Generation One Transformers book.
  • Mentioned they have the rights to some Capcom properties and will be doing a MegaMan book.
  • Said their Devil May Cry series will have painted art.
  • Said their Darkstalkers book will be a 4 issue mini series.
  • Mentioned that they are doing a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comic written by Peter David. Also said they are in daily touch with creators Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman.
  • They are trying to get Top Cow to agree to a crossover.
  • Said their Darkminds comic have had 50 licensing requests for movies and so forth. Pat says he is carefully going through them as he wants something that's fits his specific vision for the property.
  • They want to do Resident Evil and Castlevania comic books and are in negotiations for them.
  • They are going to be doing a Dual Masters comic book, a popular comic book in Japan.
  • Transformers and GI Joe is delayed until September. Jae Lee is working on it and is putting his all into it.
  • They are also doing an art book on movie posters.
  • Said the Transformers continuity is already messed up. They aren't familiar with Simon Furman's stories. They will slowly create their own. They said they will talk to Simon about continuity.
  • They don't know if the art for the Beast Wars comic will be based on the cartoons or the toys.

Today was also costume today. There were some really elaborate ones. I half way suspect some people were trying to impress the sci-fi people there in hoping to get some Hollywood work.

Denise Crosby (Tasha Yar from StarTrek: TNG) took her daughter to the con floor to buy some comic books for her. While I didn't meet her, I did get close enough on a couple of occasions to say she's very friendly, bright-eyed and enthusiastic. Almost hard to believe she played Tasha Yar!

That night I helped the 3rd Quadrant close up, my friend was friends with them (we were staying overnight at one of the employee's apartment). The con was constantly blasting out "last warnings" over the PA system and eventually security guards watched us close up and kicked us out the moment we were finished.

Sunday

There were a lot less people come Sunday, but the dealers were all expecting the bargain hunters. Slowly but surely they came. I spent much of the day going through 50 cent and dollar boxes trying to fill some holes in my Avengers and Silver Surfer runs. Last year I had a hard time finding Early 80's Roger Stern The Avengers run books for a buck or less, this year I found them all for 50 to 1.00 each. I was also able to get most of the 80's Silver Surfer run for the same amount, but there were some I had to pay a couple of bucks for as they were key issue. There are still 4 issues I'm missing but dealers want bigger bucks for them. This was probably the worst time to go looking for Silver Surfer issues as with the new series out, and Starlin work selling very well, the prices on his back issues are up. In a year or two they should be down again and I'll find my holes at decent prices.

The biggest surprise for me was picking up the rest of my Speedball run. Shortly after Steve Ditko created the character hey did a solo series that went 10 issues. I bought the first 5 when it came out, but could never find the last 5. Just prior to the con I had looked for them online with no success. I had given up on finding them thinking they sold too poorly and nobody cared about them. Lo and behold I find the issues I need for 50 cents to a dollar. Yay!

I also left the Con for a bit and went to my favourite comic shop, The Beguiling. While there I was able to get a reprint of Impact #1 (EC) which has the often praised Master Race story. Also managed to find Sugar and Spice #1 reprint (a DC 50's title that did well). My biggest buy was a Harvey Kurtzman reprinted graphic novel called The Grass Hopper and the Ant. According to the description, it was described as a graphic novel done in 1960 just after he did the Jungle Book.

Also while at the Con I noticed a chip truck named Don Juan's Chip Truck, inside was a guy who did a little dance to the music in the truck and flirt with the ladies. He did everything with his bare hands, which was funny to see. When he gave you french fries he'd grab a whole bunch with two hands and give you that. Whenever I saw him to get a hot dog, he'd ask what I want on it - I'd say nothing and he'd give me a funny look. Then he'd give me a small handful of fries for free. He did this again later on that day. By Saturday he had a long line up, a friend of mine said he was in the line up when he noticed "Don" looked up, and said "Holy Shit!" Come Sunday he was out of everything but pop drinks.

Also on Sunday we noticed there was a lot of pro's listed as guests who did not show up. Check Con Report #2 for more details on this.

One of the big sci-fi draws for Sunday was Mr. Spock. I am told Leonard Nimoy singed almost 800 autographs in less than an hour.

I then went back to the con and began asking pro's and dealers how the con was going for them. The pro's usually split into two camps. Brand new people that thought the con was great. And people who had been there before saying they did about the same as last year. Those that went to Chicago said it was crazy there with people buying everything.

Some of the dealers said the same thing, when they were at Chicago it was crazy. One dealer said he recognized some people who bought stuff from him at Chicago, but in Toronto they are not buying much. Said he didn't understand it as his prices were more expensive for them in Chicago because of the exchange rate. Most dealers said things were almost as good as last year. They did say the attendance was about the same. Two dealers had different opinions, one cut down the size of their booth this year and felt they made more money because of it. Another was quite happy as his neighbour couldn't come so he got to take over his area and made a lot more money because of the increase in space. This same dealer was also selling very recent back issues all bagged and boarded - which was different as a lot of the booths were trying to unload Silver-Age to 80's comics.

My friend and I helped the 3rd Quadrant pack up all their boxes, put them on the truck, go back to the store and drop them all off. In return he paid for dinner. So while we had intended on leaving around 6pm (when the con closed) we left at 10:30pm. This was mainly due to all the walking back and forth from the restaurant to the store to his car and back. I got home around 1:30am, was asleep by 2pm. I get up around 6am for work just to hear my Dad say "I'm sick today so you have to do all the work." Sigh.... apparently he spent the whole weekend getting pissed to the gills and was still hung over Monday morning.

Epilogue:

After coming home I realized I made two "mistake" purchases. First I realized I had already had 13 of the Avengers books I bought, and I most likely bought them all last year at the same con. Since I didn't complete the run I simply put them away without reading them. Duh! Ah well, after some comparison I realized most of them were in better shape than what I had picked up from the bins.

Secondly I discovered the Kurtzman Grasshopper and the Ant book wasn't originally a graphic novel, ie it was not a thick, complete story comic book sold in a bookstore. It was originally printed within an Esquire Magazine. Grr... I hate publishers that mis-identify things as Graphic Novels to try and spruce up the sales.

This con experience was much better than last year when I went up Friday and Sunday. I had originally though I'd be bored being at the con the whole weekend, but instead I was kept amused almost the entire time there. Next year I'll try and do it again like this, only I may go to the Beguiling on Saturday instead. The only real downside to the con was the local restaurants. There is an underground mall across the street, but barely any restaurants were open. So you didn't have much options for decently priced food outside the chip trucks, unless you were willing to go for a good walk. Getting breakfast was difficult and the one nearby pub we had supper in served food just dry enough to make you want more beer. Something to remember next year is to leave earlier to go get decent food.

Regards,

Jamie Coville

2003-09-21


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